The Dodgers snapped Arizona’s annoying little 4-game winning streak by beating turncoat Zack Greinke and the rest of the Snakes 3-2 to even the series in the second game on Friday evening. The Dodgers were able to make three early runs stand up and staved off a late Dback’s rally to hang on for the win. That dropped their magic number down to 12 to clinch their fourth consecutive NL West division title. There was nothing more satisfying then seeing the Dodgers beat down Greinke yet again and sent him home to the golf course for the winter sad. Tonight the Dodgers will look to take the series lead behind rookie Brock Stewart. Arizona will counter with Shelby Miller.
Dodgers Lineup @Arizona
Tonight's Dodger lineup:
Utley 2B
Seager SS
Turner 3B
González 1B
Reddick RF
Pederson CF
Toles LF
Ruiz C
Stewart P— Los Angeles Dodgers (@Dodgers) September 17, 2016
Brock Strewart-1-2 vs. Shelby Miller-2-11
Game Time – 5:10 PM –TV -SNLA
Stewart is 1-2 with a 6.55 ERA in 5 appearances this season. This will be his fifth start of the year. The Dodgers had originally scheduled Bud Norris to start tonight’s game but wisely changed their mind. Good decision considering Norris is notoriously horrendous at Chase Field. Norris will reportedly pitch out of the bullpen for the rest of the year.
Stewart has struck out 19 and walked 11 over 22 innings pitched. After a rough start he has had two consecutive solid outings. Back on August 28 he tossed five shutout frames against the Cubs. In his last start on September 7 which was against Arizona he allowed just one earned run on 5 hits over 5 innings pitched to earn his first MLB win. He has some familiarity pitching against the Snakes, and seems to have figured something out.
Stewart vs. Dbacks
| Name | PA | AB | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SO | BA | OBP | SLG | OPS | SH | SF | IBB | HBP | GDP |
| Paul Goldschmidt | 3 | 3 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | .667 | .667 | 1.000 | 1.667 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Chris Owings | 3 | 3 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | .333 | .333 | .333 | .667 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| A.J. Pollock | 3 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | .000 | .333 | .000 | .333 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Jean Segura | 3 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | .000 | .000 | .000 | .000 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Socrates Brito | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | .000 | .000 | .000 | .000 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Chris Herrmann | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | .000 | .000 | .000 | .000 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Jake Lamb | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | .000 | .000 | .000 | .000 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Robbie Ray | 2 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | .500 | .500 | .500 | 1.000 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Yasmany Tomas | 2 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1.000 | 1.000 | 1.000 | 2.000 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Total | 22 | 20 | 5 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 1 | .250 | .318 | .300 | .618 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
As for Miller he has had a nightmare of a season. He’s battled injuries and terrible pitching and was even demoted to triple-A for a while earlier in the season. Overall Miller is 2-11 with a 7.17 ERA in 17 starts. The right hander has 113 hits in 84.1 innings pitched. He’s struck out just 60 batters and has a 12.0 hits per nine rate in 2016. Those numbers are all bad no matter how you cut it.
He’s faced the Dodgers once this season back on September 6 at Dodger Stadium. He lost that game and got pummeled. The Dodgers lit him up like a Christmas tree scoring 5 runs on 11 hits over 4.1 innings. Miller has not won a decision since June 20. In 4 career starts against the Dodgers he is 1-2 with a 7.02 ERA. The Dodgers are batting .357 (30 for 84) against Miller with 17 runs driven in. Adrian Gonzalez is 6 for 13 with a home run.
Miller vs. Dodgers
| Name | PA | AB | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SO | BA | OBP | SLG | OPS | SH | SF | IBB | HBP | GDP |
| Carlos Ruiz | 20 | 18 | 4 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 2 | 1 | .222 | .300 | .333 | .633 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
| Chase Utley | 15 | 15 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | .267 | .267 | .267 | .533 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Adrian Gonzalez | 13 | 13 | 6 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 4 | 0 | 1 | .462 | .462 | .769 | 1.231 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Andre Ethier | 9 | 7 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 3 | 2 | 1 | .286 | .444 | .714 | 1.159 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Yasmani Grandal | 8 | 6 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 2 | .000 | .250 | .000 | .250 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Clayton Kershaw | 7 | 5 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | .400 | .500 | .400 | .900 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Howie Kendrick | 3 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | .000 | .000 | .000 | .000 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Yasiel Puig | 3 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | .500 | .667 | 1.000 | 1.667 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Josh Reddick | 3 | 3 | 3 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 1.000 | 1.000 | 1.333 | 2.333 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Corey Seager | 3 | 3 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | .667 | .667 | .667 | 1.333 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Justin Turner | 3 | 3 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | .667 | .667 | 1.000 | 1.667 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Joc Pederson | 2 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | .500 | .500 | .500 | 1.000 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Ross Stripling | 2 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | .500 | .500 | .500 | 1.000 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Andrew Toles | 2 | 2 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1.000 | 1.000 | 1.500 | 2.500 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Total | 93 | 84 | 30 | 7 | 0 | 2 | 17 | 8 | 11 | .357 | .413 | .512 | .925 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
The Dodgers have most of the regulars playing tonight with the exception of Andrew Toles in left field and Carlos Ruiz behind the plate to give Yasmani Grandal a night off. Grandal took a foul ball off the right shoulder in last night’s game so I am wondering if he’s a little sore. Oh speaking of sore, Kenley Jansen is suffering from a sore right wrist. Apparently he was seen wearing a brace on it in the clubhouse.
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According to reports it’s nothing serious and Jansen has stated he is going to pitch through it. He called it inflammation, which is general soreness. Kenley recorded his 45th save of the season in Friday night’s 3-2 win, but surrendered a run in the bottom of the ninth inning when Chris Owing tripled and scored on a sacrifice fly. The Dodgers wrap up the road trip on Sunday afternoon and then fly home for the final home stand of the season against the Giants and the Rockies. That will also be Vin Scully’s final games at Dodger Stadium. Don’t sleep on that.
Go Blue!
Strange for me to say, but I trust this kid more than I do the veteran, who is by the way, a very mediocre pitcher……
Our starting lineup has a combined .480(24-50) BA. Oops. now I just jinxed them.
So if they lose tonight it’s your fault 😉
Grandal may be sore, but he could use a rest anyway as his hitting has been tanking for a couple of weeks. Joc and Gonzo could probably use a day off as well before the big series vs SF.
They just said Reddick was hitting .370 in his last 15 games.
Hummmmmmm…… That’s not what many of you were saying.
Mark
Reddick is hitting 188 in his last seven games.
And he only has six extra base hits, since he has joined the team, and three RBIs.
OK. I’ll give you that. Toles is hitting .125 in his last 7 games. Now what?
Mark
In Toles last seven games, he didn’t start all of those games, like Reddick has.
Toles has a lot of pinch hit at bats, in those seven games.
.125 likely means he’s 1 for 8, and most of those at bats are pinch hitting appearances. Hard to ask a rookie to be Dave Hansen or Manny Mota.
I don’t like rookies becoming pinch hitters; leave that job to vets who have been around and know the pitchers.
actually everyone knows Reddick has been hitting at a high batting average the last 3 weeks. However, they’re all singles, and he’s not getting any RBI. I don’t know if he’s just not coming up with guys on base, or he’s only getting hits when nobody is in scoring position or what.
But as I said yesterday, if he’s getting on base, but not driving in runs, then why not bat him 1 or 2 and let’s take advantage of his hot bat?
258 last month, last fifteen days, 364, last seven days, 188, is what Reddick has done.
Toles – .125 last 7 days!
Mark
Toles didn’t start seven straight games, and have four at bats, like Reddick did.
He had only one at bat, in most of those seven games.
And that was against a fresh relief pitcher, and Toles came up after sitting on the bench almost all night.
I really like Brock Stewart. He’s not one of our high ceiling guys like Urias, DeLeon, Beuhler, or Alvarez, but man, to have a guy like him lower in the rotation would be great! Plus he’ll likely improve as it is, giving us a reallly strong, young rotation.
Great pick up by whomever drafted him!
I think so to Bobby.
He has really adjusted with every game he has pitched in, to get better.
Toles – I like him a lot, but it’s not like Reddick should be in AA like you make it sound. I would start Reddick, but it’s close and no big deal. I don’t why it’s such an issue. Oh, yes I do. You don’t like FAZ… so anytime you can you pile on. That ship has sailed. Give it up! FAZ has already proved the bashers wrong. That’s why several left – to save face… they had none left!
Brock Stewart: I expect him to be in the rotation next year. He could be a #5, but his TOP is a #3… if he can continue to develop his slider.
BTW, Logan White drafted Stewart!
Logan was my last inside connection with the Dodgers. I miss him a lot!
Yeah, Logan definitely had some nice draft picks. Wasn’t Loney his first ever pick? If so, then White brought us Kersh Bills Brox Kemp Martin, etc.
Seemed like a nice guy too
He was a great guy. Maybe a little too in love with high school players, but he did a lot of good.
I meant to say above that I would start Toles… not Reddick.
14 RBIs, 8 doubles, one triple, 3 HRs, in forty less at bats, then Reddick.
And not all from playing and starting almost everyday, like Reddick.
Puig is hitting better then Reddick, since Puig has been back.
Baseball is a game of streaks.
A-Gone is hitting .130 in his last 7 games – .192 in his last 15 games.
Corey Seager is hitting .192 in his last 7.
Puig is hitting .154 in his last 7 games.
Pederson is hitting .100 in his last 7….
What does it all mean?
Not much!
Reddick is hitting 200 since he joined the team.
In the 6th, Doc brought in Liberatore. I assumed it was for the whole inning, and to get him some work to see if he’s really back to what he was.
Instead, Liberatore faced Lamb, struck him out, and then was taken out. I think it’s because Doc is already in playoff mode, and wants to see if Liberatore can come in the game to face that tough leftie and get him. I like the move more and more now. We’ll need Liberatore to match up against Murphy and Harper in the NLDS.
Good strategic move and preparation
Very perceptive of you!
Either that, or the Batphone rang from Friedman and Farhan, and Doc was ordered to take Liberatore out?
… in the meantime, Reddick has 3 hits.
Toles sucks with just 1 hit… 😉
How many RBIs does Reddick still have??
And what a nice throw from Toles tonight, to save a run.
If Reddick hit .400 the rest of the year, I would still not like him, nor will I ever like FAZ no matter what the club does. Reddick did absolutely nothing the first month he was here. And we didn’t want him to start with, we wanted a good right handed hitter. In your world that doesn’t make sense but that is the way I feel and I suspect there are others who feel the same way. You, me, everyone elsw, we have to live with it.
Magic Number 11
Bobby
Are you watching the Giants?
Bobby
The Giants bullpen, is a Dodger fan’s best friend!
it’s a beautiful thing!
Bobby
The magic number is now 10!
Serious question here:
Why do some of the posters seem to demonstrate a marked distaste towards the front office?
The Dodgers’ front office has built a deep, resilient lineup with a phenomenal bullpen. They’ve incredible pitching depth, and an ultra-promising farm system.
All that pretty much incontrovertible, people’s posts make it seem like the Dodgers’ front office is like Angela Landsbury’s character from Manchuria.
Ah, yes, the Original Manchurian Candidate with Frank Sinatra. The new one stinks.
Magic Number 10
Forget Corey Seager, Santiago Casilla may be the Dodgers MVP this year!!!!
Forget all of the Toles vs. Reddick talk. Puig should be starting in RF every night.
I like the young Dodgers’ pitchers. Stripling and Stewart have the chance to be the typical #4 or 5 guys. The Braintrust shouldn’t go out and sign another bunch of the lame and infirm. Let the kids pitch. If they are going to sign or trade for anyone for the rotation it should be a stud.
Urias and DeLeon may be studs to come, but we won’t know for sure for a year or two and they will both be on innings limits next year.
No to Hill – he might be fine (when he can pitch) this year but he is 37 and has only thrown over 100 innings one time in 12 major league seasons. Haven’t we learned enough with Anderson, Kazmir and McCarthy?
I would rather have a rotation of Kershaw, Maeda and 3 of the kids then sign another broken down guy who can’t pitch when he’s needed.
The point isn’t just having a rotation. The point is having a lot of depth beyond the rotation to accommodate things like injuries/Maeda’s schedule/inning limits. If they bring the young guys up and insert them, then who provides the depth?
I can’t think of any Dodger team that I can remember who planed on a 15 man “rotation” due to multiple failures by multiple injury prone pitchers.
That isn’t a strategy for success.
Every team has pitching injuries – sure — and you have a back-up plan if possible.
But why go out of your way to sign every guy you can recovering from multiple surgeries and call it “depth”?
If they can’t pitch, it isn’t depth.
And I have been a fan long enough to remember when teams went with a rotation who pitched almost every game. Isn’t that something to aspire to?
Why go out and sign people recovering from multiple surgeries?
Because that’s depth! Because the Dodgers have money, and use that money to build depth.
You can aspire all you want to have a single rotation that pitches and stays healthy. But you have to have contingencies if they don’t.
It’s why Toles is here. It’s why Reddick is here. Why Thompson is here. Because if Ethier gets injured, then Trace Thompson has a chance. If he gets injured, Toles has a chance.
I’m sure the Dodgers aspired to have a solid OF of Ethier, Pederson and Puig. But one got injured and one imploded. They signed and acquired others for depth.
Valid points. If that is indeed what they’re doing, well then so far after 148 games, they are righter than they are wronger.
They’re definitely doing it in a more unique way than we’ve seen. If it is a big plan, well then we won’t know the total outcome of it for a few years. But so far, after their first year, they were division champs. They made some changes, and now they’re 10 magic numbers away from repeating as division champs. Then again, they inherited a team that was a 2 time division champ, so who really knows! Let’s get to the World Series, then we’ll know that their plan was better than the last guy’s plan (which definitely did get us close)
I was with you Rick all the way until you wanted to sign another broken down guy who can’t pitch when he’s needed. Grammar matters 🙂
Yes it matters in the sense that it is necessary to convey the exact meaning you intend. But it is in very poor taste to correct the grammar of strangers with whom we are conversing on the Internet. I try to watch my grammar as a matter of pride but I usually don’t call attention to the dozens of errors I see every day. Perhaps the person doesn’t know any better and I certainly don’t want to hurt his feelings by correcting him in public.
On another front, wasn’t Bluto Popeye’s antagonist? His grammar wasn’t too sharp either….
Wondering, you seem to get infused with adrenaline when you see a chance to bitch.
Dodger rick
If you have read my posts, I have said that Puig needs to play more.
Especially if they want him to be a factor, against leftie pitchers.
But Puig has done well since he has came back, but he isn’t good in most clutch situations.
Sorry to say this, but I think the way the Dodgers have used/not used Puig is a catastrophe, especially for the player. If I were him, I would ask for a trade. I have to think the Dodgers are thinking of a trade in any case. To go through the muck of what Puig has gone through in the last couple of years would really sour me on this team and their ‘philosophy’.
Ethier is probably another player, no fault of the Dodgers, who has outlived his usefulness. With new guys on board, much younger and motivated, Ethier might consider being traded or retiring. I don’t know why he would retire unless his injuries just slowed him down too much, but if he wants to play, his chances are slim with the Dodgers. I would think this is the dream of every player, to play as much as possible.
These two players, could bring us an outfielder that might stabilize the situation here. I don’t like this platooning and pinch hitting is not the same as the NBA’s rotation players who might even get more minutes than a starter. Pinch hitting is sort of an insult, especially the way the Dodgers do it. Today, Hernandez in for Toles, who was 1-2 and is far and away a better player than Hernandez. Why? What does that do for Toles? or for the team, for that matter. This kind of thinking is very petty and unproductive. Small minds, IMO.
agree about pinch hitting Kike for Toles, unless it’s to get Kike some at bats vs lefties for the specific reason of seeing if he’s ready for the playoff roster.
Maybe if Kike keeps failing at this now, it’ll mean no Kike and his banana (??) for round 1? And it’ll mean Toles gets to stay
Do you get the impression Roberts runs this team like a Little League Team? Everyone gets to play, no matter how bad they are? Agree Puig will be traded but not Ethier. No market for Ethier, and nobody will trade a better outfielder for Puig, why would they? It’ll be Puig and ???? for Fernandez. Tell FAZ I approve that one. And it’ll be some of our pitching for a hitter, if one can’t be found as a free agent. Is Cespedes opting out?
I had the same complaint about Maddening last year. Makes you wonder.
Jeff
A lot of Puig’s problems, he has brought on himself.
He has pulled his hammys twice or three times, in the last couple of years, and he doesn’t want to do the strenching that is needed to avoid injuries like that.
And his offensive production has also went down every year too.
@Bobby, forgive me if you were joking with your reply but…
You can’t be righter or wronger.
You also can’t be “more unique”, you are either unique or not unique.
As for the previous regime before Friedman? Colletti? One of the worst! Granted he had a bad hand from McCourt, but he played it dreadfully.
Bluto
I don’t know if you know that some of Neds signings, we’re done because the current owners, wanted him to do some of these signings, and moves.
I’m sorry was that English?
I think I parsed out a thought in it. I openly acknowledged that McCourt gave Colletti a bad hand, he was still, by everything I’ve read, a dreadful GM.
I was talking about the current owners.
“Dumb Ned” managed to get a team to the NLCS twice on a shoestring and came up a pitcher short twice, not surprising since McCheap wouldn’t let him re-sign his top starter two years in a row. And he drafted/signed many of the young guys now regarded as the future of the franchise. Sure he made some dumb moves, but looking back, haven’t they all?
And injured players aren’t depth except in fantasy baseball.
Bluto,
There are several here who have an irrational hatred of FAZ. Facts be damned. They have made their minds up and will mold the facts around their own ideas.
As is plain to see, even when their narrative has been proven false they will continue to complain about something – usually not real, just imagined.
Bluto: “Why do some of the posters seem to demonstrate a marked distaste towards the front office?
The Dodgers’ front office has built a deep, resilient lineup with a phenomenal bullpen. They’ve incredible pitching depth, and an ultra-promising farm system.”
That is the million dollar question on this board. A few of us, like you, have noticed the tremendous job done by management (FAZ) in the 21 months they have been in charge. We are going to the playoffs!!! And should be tough to beat!! All the while, building a “JUGGERNAUT” of an organization that will consistently compete for years to come!!
What’s not to like about that? I don’t know. Some anti-FAZ posters have admitted to dropping acid (LSD) 100’s of times, as a youth. That might explain it. A voice of reason is always welcome.
Welcome to the board.
Don’t recall any FAZophobes pleading guilty to drug use, nor do I remember any of them going to prison for a very despicable crime. The only “crime” we’re guilty of is disagreeing with how FAZ selects players. I believe fans have that right.
I feel the same way. We might not use the stats and all the saber metric gobbledegook to evaluate, But we have the same passion for the team, and we see something we do not agree with, we have every right to question……….and others have the right to disagree with us, although a little less name calling would be nice.
Rarely do baseball teams become juggernauts. And it is way to early in their regime to think that this FO has built one. There have also been very few baseball dynasty’s. There are way too many things that can happen that can throw a huge wrench into the best laid plans. As most of us know, this season has been skewed by the huge amount of injuries this team has sustained. The only starting pitcher to avoid the DL is Maeda. But the depth that the FO has built up has managed to bridge the gap and the team has a huge amount of grit. I think that we will see large turnovers, and multiple player moves because that is the way these guys operate. They are not afraid to unload popular players, and they hoard prospects like they were gold. In the end, only time will tell if they have been successful. They have won nothing yet. Show me a couple of world championships, and then I might say they have done the job they were hired to do. Until I see results of that nature, I remain skeptical. And for your information, I have never used drugs of any kind, and I still do not really like these guys all that much. All the saber metrics and moves they have made has brought neither of them to the promised land.
In case one didn’t know, the word juggernaut comes from the Hindi word Jagannath which is a large temple in the town of Puri, Eastern India, dedicated to Vishnu; each year, there is a massive procession featuring a gigantic chariot carrying the god of the temple, Vishnu, to the sea in a famous ritual.
When this word is used in baseball, I can only think of the Yankees of past decades being closest to a juggernaut. Some of their teams were awesome and memorable especially when I grew up in the 50’s. Mantle, Berra, Rizzuto, Ford, etc. They were the cat’s meow. My poor Dodgers could only hope and pray that this would happen to them some day, and then, 1955! But, that team would hardly qualify for Juggernauthood.
This team? lol
You know when this season started, Maeda was the one pitcher that many thought would be on the DL quickly. They were coddling him and wanted to change the rotation just so he could remain healthy. All of a sudden the tables turned and he is the last man standing. Go figure.
With a cast of thousands, this movie cannot have staying power. It is not how great teams are built. It is only about survival and the Dodgers have proved they are survivors so I give FAZ credit for that. They are excellent survivors.
Boxout
Most of our line up, isn’t from Faz.
They have made there mark, but when you say they are responsible for the resilient line up, that is mostly not true.
They have done a good job building the farm, but they only responsible for a few players, in this line up.
And Roberts was signed by Faz, but the owners, had a piece in this too.
What is despicable is your character. You have no idea what you are even saying. But, then again, you never do!
Yes, I do know. I found that website. I’d love to post it here but I won’t.
I’m not sure which one you are talking about but I can guess. Do you know that can never be removed once it is overturned, no matter how incorrect ? But if you dig further you will find the answer. If you have a modicum of decency you will be mortified at what you think or posted. The book and movie are coming. http://www.themountainmover.com. I don’t have anything to hide against the lies. The truth will set you free.